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The Use of Capsaicin for Sensory Neuropathic Cough

By Robert W. Bastian, MD

In recent years, a neurogenic form of chronic cough has been described in the literature, referred to variously as “sensory neuropathy presenting as chronic cough” ((Lee B, Woo P. Chronic cough as a sign of laryngeal sensory neuropathy: diagnosis and treatment. Ann Otol Rhinol Laryngol. 2005; 114: 253-257.)), “sensory neuropathic cough” ((Bastian RW, Vaidya AM, Delsupehe KG. Sensory neuropathic cough: a common and treatable cause of chronic cough. Otolaryngol Head and Neck Surg. 2006; 135(1): 17-21.)), ((Gibson PG, Ryan NM. Cough pharmacotherapy: Current and future status. Expert Opin Pharmacother. 2011; 12(11): 1745-1755.)), “laryngeal sensory neuropathy” ((Halum SL, Sycamore DL, McRae BR. A new treatment option for laryngeal sensory neuropathy. Laryngoscope. 2009; 119:1844-1847.)), or simply “refractory chronic cough” ((Ryan NM, Birring SS, Gibson PG. Gabapentin for refractory chronic cough: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial. Lancet. 2012; 380(9853): 1583-9.)). It has been shown that sensory neuropathic cough (SNC) can be treated with certain neuralgia medications1,4,5, ((Jeyakumar A, Brickman TM, Haben M. Effectiveness of amitriptyline versus cough suppressants in the treatment of chronic cough resulting from postviral vagal neuropathy. Laryngoscope. 2006; 116: 2108-2112.)), ((Van de Kerkhove C, Goeminne PC, Van Bleyenbergh P, Dupont LJ. A cohort description and analysis of the effect of gabapentin on idiopathic cough. Cough. 2012; 8(9).)), ((Norris BK, Schweinfurth JM. Management of recurrent laryngeal sensory neuropathic symptoms. Ann Otol Rhinol Laryngol. 2010; 119(3): 188-191.)). What has not yet been described, however, is the use of capsaicin spray as a possible treatment for SNC patients—an approach that may seem counter-intuitive, given that capsaicin is known in the pulmonary medicine literature as a means for provoking coughing for diagnostic or research reasons.

The Genesis of the Idea
In 2005, a desperate patient traveled a considerable distance to consult regarding her terrible intractable cough. She described the typical abrupt, intense tickle at the start of each cough; she also noted the trigger phenomena previously described as a part of SNC2. For many years, she had experienced dozens of coughing episodes per day. Many of her episodes lasted a minute or more and, due to the violence of her attacks, led to public humiliation; she suffered from retching, occasional vomiting, and frequent stress incontinence. Based upon this history alone, as well as a negative examination, the criteria for a diagnosis of SNC were met. In addition, she had been previously treated for years for the “usual suspects”—cough-variant asthma, acid reflux, allergy, and post-nasal drip; none of the many medications she had tried for these conditions had helped at all.

Unfortunately, this patient’s case was unusually refractory to our list of SNC medications—in this case, amitriptyline, gabapentin, and oxcarbazepine (later on, she also tried pregabalin). After we managed our customary protocol for each of these medicines by phone across the next few months, we learned together that her cough could be diminished (by as much as 40%), but only if she took high doses of medication, to the point of experiencing unacceptable side effects.

In casting about for additional treatment options, we focused on the fact that her particular stereotyped cough-inducing sensory disturbance was an irresistible tickle at the level of the thyroid cartilage on the left side.

To continue the search for a solution, it seemed logical to infiltrate lidocaine with epinephrine into the area of the left superior laryngeal nerve. Such a nerve block should linger for at least an hour, and since her coughing occurred at least a few times per hour, it seemed that the assessment of benefit, if any, would be easy. After the first injection, the patient reported that she did not cough at all for two days. She was thrilled. Two additional injections were planned in order to validate the benefit of the first injection. Unfortunately, the second injection did not help.

In response to my many questions trying to make sense of the difference between the two injections, the patient commented that the first injection had left her visibly bruised, sore, and somewhat swollen. The second (ineffective) injection did not cause any of these side effects. She in fact requested a third injection that would intentionally make her bruised and sore, as the first one had.

This patient’s story triggered a rapid-fire series of thought experiments: the use of a laser burn as a kind of long-lasting counter-irritant, or the use of extremely powerful mint, or, the use of capsaicin. At that time, capsaicin had been used in topical skin creams to treat various kinds of pain ((Mason L, Moore A, Derry S, Edwards JE, McQuay HJ. Systematic review of topical capsaicin for the treatment of chronic pain. Br Med J. 2004; 328:991–997.)), and also as an intranasal spray for headaches ((Rapoport AM, Bigal ME, Tepper SJ, Sheftell FD. Intranasal medications for the treatment of migraine and cluster headache. CNS Drugs. 2004; 18(10): 671-85.)).

This patient initially used capsaicin spray obtained for her from a compounding pharmacy, prepared at 0.03% strength. Without any available guidelines, and wanting an answer quickly, I suggested that she use the capsaicin as often as 10 times per day. This gave her heartburn (predictably) and markedly increased her tolerance of hot food. Later, she stepped down to using the capsaicin four times per day. Unfortunately, the capsaicin only helped her cough somewhat. She used it for some time, but then dropped it.

From 2005 to the present, we have tried capsaicin spray in well over a hundred patients. It is typically the fourth approach we try, and only after failure of three different neuralgia medications such as the medications mentioned above, as well as citalopram and desipramine. A small percentage of patients who try capsaicin have experienced major relief. This is why we continue to suggest it as a fourth option.

Possible Kinds of Relief
There appear to be at least three different ways in which capsaicin might relieve an SNC patient’s coughing symptoms. When a patient is supplied his or her first bottle of the spray from us, we explain that we want them to test for the following three potential benefits:

  1. May reduce the frequency and severity of coughing attacks. At the outset of our use of capsaicin, our theory was that, if this benefit were to occur, it would be as a counter-irritant, as suggested by the patient anecdote above. Subsequently, we thought that this benefit might occur because of desensitization, via gradual depletion of substance P, a neurotransmitter found in the mucosa ((Burks TF, Buck SH, Miller MS. Mechanisms of depletion of substance P by capsaicin. Fed Proc. 1985; 44(9):2531-4.)). However, more recent information suggests that capsaicin desensitizes primarily through a process called “defunctionalization” of thermal, mechanical, chemical, and other sensory nerve endings ((Anand P, Bley K. Topical capsaicin for pain management: therapeutic potential and mechanisms of action of the new high-concentration capsaicin 8% patch. Br J Anaesth. 2011; 107(4):490-502.)). To test capsaicin’s potential to “defunctionalize” nociceptors, we suggest a trial of at least two weeks, using the spray four times per day. The person is told that use of capsaicin can trigger a bout of coughing, much as asthma inhalers that were prescribed by prior physicians often do, and that they must simply carry on with the capsaicin trial for a minimum of two weeks, even in the face of this obnoxious impediment. A number of patients have obtained relief in this way.
  2. May act as a counter-irritant to abort or truncate bad attacks. This idea came up because one early patient commented that she was pleased with capsaicin even though her cough frequency was unchanged. She explained that she could tell when an attack was going to be unusually severe and prolonged, often by the “urgency” of the preceding tickle. If she could spray her throat immediately after such an urgent sensation, the attack was shortened. She said that, instead of a typical two-minute duration, the coughing spell might be over in 20 seconds. It is of course impossible to conclude anything from this anecdote, but for what it is worth, other patients have said this works for them, too.
  3. May serve as a “cough scheduler” by providing temporary relief from coughing after a capsaicin-induced attack. This idea was contributed by a patient who said that, though capsaicin did not help his coughing problem in either of the two ways mentioned above, he was happy with a different benefit he had discovered:if he used the capsaicin to induce an attack of coughing, he would then enjoy an unusually extended period of time without cough. For example, if he were going to see a play, he would spray his throat just before the play started, have a vigorous attack of coughing as a result, but then be able to get to the intermission without coughing. During the intermission, he would again spray his throat (in the bathroom or outside the theater); a second major episode of coughing would occur, but then he could get through the second half of the performance also without coughing.

How to Apply the Capsaicin
These are the instructions we give our patients for applying the capsaicin spray:

  1. Stand in front of your bathroom mirror, open your mouth widely, and try to look as far back into your mouth as possible.
  2. Depress your tongue so that, if possible, you see the back wall of your throat, and not just your tongue or palate.
  3. Take a deep breath, hold it in, and aim the capsaicin spray straight back, attempting to hit the back wall of the throat, and not the front of the mouth. Immediately after spraying, exhale and swallow. You will feel the “heat” of the capsaicin for at least 5 minutes.
  4. Do not eat or drink anything for a minimum of 10 minutes before or after using the spray. This is so that ingested substances do not inadvertently “neutralize” the capsaicin (particularly milk, citrus, salt, etc.).
  5. Repeat this routine four times a day for a minimum of two weeks (three is better), before deciding whether or not capsaicin is a worthwhile option.

Going Forward
Our sense is that perhaps no more than one in ten patients who try capsaicin after “failing” the usual neuralgia medications (such as amitriptyline, gabapentin, and several others) end up finding capsaicin to be beneficial, in one or more of the three ways described above. We hope to provide a more formal report of our experience with capsaicin in the near future.


Bastian ZJ, Bastian RW. (2015) The use of neuralgia medications to treat sensory neuropathic cough: our experience in a retrospective cohort of thirty-two patients. PeerJ 3:e816 https://dx.doi.org/10.7717/peerj.816

48 thoughts on “The Use of Capsaicin for Sensory Neuropathic Cough

  1. I have been using Capsaicin spray to manage chronic non allergic rhinitis and found that benefit lasts approximately 9 months. I have been using it in patients with chronic refractory cough, most of whom are taking codeine, amitrypiline and / or gabapentin or analogues. The difference from your study is athta all patients get speech therapy modification of laryngeal behaviour and alos3 units of botox to each thyroartyenoid muscle prior to commencement of weekly capsaicin spray in my rooms for 3 weeks. It is critical that all three treatments are used. The botox causes a ‘huff’ cough rather than explosive blast reducing recurrent trauma. the Speech pathology input reduces laryngeal mucous clearing mechanisms and improved laryngeal humidification / moisture. The capsaicin is used to reduce the cough sensitivity threshold temporarily whilst the other management strategies are at work. We use the Newcastle Laryngeal Hypersensitivity Questionnaire (Vertigan et al) to monitor response to care. Although treatment may require repetition at 4-6 monthly intervals, requirement to remain on medication is ceased and control of cough is improved allowing normality of life style.

    • Thanks so much for your input. Years ago, I used to send cough patients to the speech pathologist for what we called “sword swallowing school.” The idea was that if a sword swallower has to learn to tolerate the sensations of that act, perhaps cough patients could learn to tolerate or distract from a powerful urge to cough. It seemed to help only a small percentage, and not at all the true sensory neuropathic cough patients. So we no longer do this routinely. As for Botox, we have also tried that with variable results, and of course there is a penalty as voice is weakened for a time in order to diminish the percussiveness of cough. I do, however, very much like the intensity of your attack on this problem, a problem which can destroy quality of life for so many. And your comments have made me do some rethinking about other options.

  2. Hello – I have read your article with interest. I live in the UK, am 61 and have suffered with a chronic cough as described above for the past 7 years. I have tried a range of remedies from amitriptyline to nasal sprays to antihistamine etc all to no avail. I note that a glass of red wine can help subdue my symptoms but as that is not a good route to follow I have considered what else might pacify the awful trigger that sets me coughing! I have often noticed that spiced food can also have a calming effect on my cough and have commented that if only I could apply a patch impregnated with chilli to the inside of my throat that would do the job. That thought has led me to your article today.
    I sense there is a correlation between my cough and heart palpitations that I experience too and wonder if the application of capsaicin might cause adverse symptoms in that respect.
    I’m not sure I am brave enough to spray capsaicin down my throat in the way you describe but will continue to follow your website for future developments.
    I’m afraid I have little to add by way of a contribution to this topic but am reassured to read it as my General Practitioner and Ear Nose and Throat Consultant have just seemed rather baffled by me and disinclined to contemplate the neuropathic aspect of it for me. I feel much less isolated for reading your article. Thank you

    • The frustration that so many with sensory neuropathic cough experience is well-represented in your comments. Many physicians who so want to help are also frustrated when all their efforts – usually directed at what we call “the usual suspects” of allergy, asthma, and acid reflux – are useless. Depending on your motivation and the details of your case, your physician(s) might be willing to try you on gabapentin, according to sensory neuropathic cough protocols you can find for this medication. It would be a shame for you to learn only after years of additional coughing that this medication helps! Consider reading a more recent article, by the way, on “medical jadedness” that can prevent or delay finding solutions.

      • Thank you . I appreciate the suggestion to consider Gabapentin and will pursue that further . I’m wary of a remedy where the ‘trade off’ may be a general dulling of my senses on a daily basis and so have been cautious of that type of treatment. I read your ‘medical jadedness’ article with interest and can appreciate both sides of the scenarios referred to. My experience in the UK has been one of short consultations where the professionals, on the whole, are disinclined to engage in a dialogue of any depth with me and this has not been helpful. The first time I ever sought consideration that my cough may be something more than a virus the GP ‘s response was to say ‘You may cough for the rest of your life, how do you feel about that?’ , without quantifying his statement in any way -The first ENT consultation I had was founded on an assumption that I was worried that I had throat cancer – something wholly inaccurate and only came to light when I had sight of the consultant’s reply in my GP’s surgery!! It was eventually suggested that I had glossopharyngeal neuralgia & I was given a printed article to take away that detailed a painful condition which is not my experience so rather confused me!
        My enlightenment regarding my own predicament has mainly come from trawling the internet and finding articles such as yours. Sadly there seems to be a ‘climate’ within the medical profession here that patients should not attempt to apply their intellect in medical territory and so useful dialogue is limited if the exchanges can only be at a very basic level & misunderstandings can prevail. I do appreciate that ‘ a little knowledge is a dangerous thing’ but I do believe that I could perhaps have been encouraged to be more involved!
        I would be very interested to know if you have a counterpart in the UK. I have identified a ‘Cough Research Clinic’ in Hull but there doesn’t seem to be anything published about their work in recent times. Once again, thank you for your interesting articles, they certainly help .

        • I am very sorry to hear of the difficulty you have experienced in finding help for your cough. Intractable coughing that does not fit under any of the “usual suspect” causes of coughing (allergy, acid reflux, atypical asthma) can frustrate patience and doctors alike. I do think we are entering an era now of much increased awareness and understanding of neurogenic coughing. Of course I cannot say that that is what you are experiencing. That would be for your personal physician to consider. Still, if you match fairly accurately the scenario described for that condition, it could not hurt to ask your GP for a trial of amitriptyline. We use a dose escalation strategy, beginning with 10 mg, and increasing to as much as 80 mg before deciding (if no response) that that isn’t the solution. If it is not, then we proceed to gabapentin. For that medication, would begin with 300 mg at bedtime, and then after 3 days 300 mg twice a day; after another 3 days 300 mg 3 times a day, and then end with 300 mg 4 times a day, for a total of 1200 mg per day. If a person is unable to tolerate side effects, we can do the same strategy of escalation, but using 100 mg capsules. For what it is worth, it seems to me that 4 out of 5 people can tolerate this kind of dose level with an acceptable level of side effects in return for (potentially) great benefit.

          I am very sympathetic with your desire to avoid medicines that might cause side effects. In fact a philosophy of as little use of medicine as possible is generally a good one. That said, persons with severe SNC are often desperate, and they may also experience major reduction of quality of life. For that reason, it would be useful to check out the above kinds of medicines, even if one knew in advance that he or she would be unwilling to stay on them permanently. Why not just answer the question: “Might this help me?”

          As for a cough center in England, I am afraid I can’t help you with that. Just be forewarned that many cough research units might be expected to still be flogging those “usual suspects” described above. It can mean a great number of tests without much in the way of findings or much in the way of relief. That’s why I almost think it might be better to find a sympathetic GP to help you.

          • Thank you again for your very helpful information. I am hoping to retire shortly which will mean I am exposed to less ‘triggers’ eg a very poor physical environment, badly ventilated, dry atmosphere that prevails at work.
            I think that will be the time when I take a decision regarding medication and I will particularly be enquiring about Gabapentiin as a possible solution. If I am not in the workplace I will be in a better position to deal with possible side effects such as drowsiness.
            I will post feedback on any progress. Kind regards Sue

    • Hi I also live in the UK and like you feel that doctors are baffled by this cough. I’ve had the problem for over 10 years and to say it ruins my life is an understatement . Seen yet another GP and asked to be referred to a specialist but yet again told to try antibiotics and a nasal spray. My tone of voice is changing the cough now makes me feel like I’m going to choke and retch. I’ve been told to try not to cough, sip water any maybe it’s just a bad habit. What’s the point I give up !!!!

  3. I read this last night. Thank you!

    I’ve had a chronic cough since 5/2010 after a nasty bout with bacterial pneumonia in the hospital. I was so sick, they put me in a coma for four days with a respirator, 3 weeks total in the hospital with heavy-duty antibiotics.

    My voice never recovered, I have granulomas on my vocal chords and this cough. I had no idea what it was or what to do about it. I, like so many others, assumed it was reflux. I do think that’s part of it. I was a singer in a band and, just before I got sick, I experienced some voice cracking and loss of control which NEVER happened before. I think that was a clue that there was already some reflux damage on the chords. Maybe the granulomas were already forming.

    The few times the cough has slowed in recent weeks, my voice gets noticeably better. I had a real gravelly voice when I got out of the hospital, no range, no power. I have more range since then and not so gravelly, just kinda whiskey, so something good is happening there. But after a day of coughing (I often cough till I gag), it’s wrecked again.

    A few weeks ago, I read a book on chronic cough written by another doctor. She answered many questions, and made the upper respiratory/chronic cough connection for me. I fit the profile of someone with silent reflux. Then a friend, Reed Davis, led me to your site.

    I’m so desperate, I drank a 1/4 tsp cayenne pepper mixed in water before bed and 2x so far this morning. When I feel a cough coming on, I’ve been licking a little cayenne pepper off my hand which stops it. Then when I finally cough, it’s productive. I’ve had a couple of short fits today, but still much better. I realize this is hardly scientific, lol.

    I really don’t want to take amitriptyline or any drugs, but I will if nothing “natural” works. I’m researching the heck out of cayenne. I will report back if I have success.

    Thank you for your wonderful videos and information. I cried reading and listening like I cried reading the book… it gives me hope that I’m not alone, I didn’t make this up, it’s true that nothing in particular seems to trigger the cough and there are people getting over this. I could be one of them! Blessings.

    • Thank you very much for your feedback. I’m sorry to hear of your difficulties. What follows is of course speculative as it may or may not apply to you. Keep in mind that I’m trying to give information, and not to diagnose. Only your personal physician can do that.

      With that caveat: Acid reflux affecting the larynx is a very important, if sometimes over-used, diagnosis. In your case, there can also be a contribution of a breathing tube injury if it was in for 4 days. Endotracheal tubes can cause granulation in the posterior part of the vocal folds and you can find photos of this on our website and elsewhere. Injuries from breathing tubes often resolve in a few months, but there can be a permanent injury in some.

      As for your use of cayenne–good for you! Do let me know if you can find a simple way to use this. I had thought of using hot sauce originally, before hitting upon the idea of a compounding pharmacy. All the best to you.

  4. Thank you for your response. I appreciate the information and perspective so much.

    Since I started licking cayenne off my hand, the cough has dramatically decreased. I can still stop an attack with it. I get the urge to cough, lick cayenne, suppress the urge to cough (which I have never done successfully before) until the cayenne reaches my throat… after about 30 seconds, I have one or two productive coughs and it’s over. Nothing short of a miracle in my mind.

    I keep cayenne in a sprinkle jar in the kitchen and use that during the day (I work at home). I have a tiny jar of cayenne next to my bed and that’s what I’ll take when I go out. Lick my pinky, dip in and wipe on my tongue. If I use too much and inhale any, makes me cough!

    I’m off to teach a seminar today so we’ll see how it goes there. Taking cayenne with me — changes in temp and “office smells” can set it off. I will sometimes cough quite a bit before the day starts while my system gets used to the new environment. Anyway, taking my magic cure with me 🙂

    I was in the coma for four days but in intensive care with the tube for a total of 10. Then 10 more days in a regular hospital bed. I saw the granulomas on the TV screen in my docs office a couple of months after the hospital (this was all in Costa Rica) — they were at the top of the cords, identical on either side.

    I can live with permanent voice damage at this point, as long as my throat and larynx are otherwise healthy. My soprano is totally gone unless I can muscle a little out. There’s a section of my voice that is gone, no sound at all. I’m thinking that might be where the granulomas are, where the cords cannot meet? Wild guess. But I can live with being an alto! I sing with John Prine records now instead of Eva Cassidy — I feel positively lyrical 🙂

    My voice is already stronger from not coughing constantly. If the coughing continues to improve, I’ll address the voice. Would be nice to know what’s actually happening in there. If there’s something I can do to improve it, I would. It seemed wasted effort to address it with the constant coughing.

    Thank you again SO MUCH. I hope the cayenne works for others.

    • Thanks for the further follow-up. I have already passed your suggestion on to someone who I think is in the UK. What I’ve suggested before is Tabasco, but powder seems more efficient and convenient. Do keep in mind that amitriptyline and gabapentin (to name the two commonest medications for SNC) could be considered, though if cayenne gives you satisfactory relief, no need to look elsewhere.

  5. i know the reason for my chronic cough…a parathyroid adenoma. That will be removed hopefully soon. The cough keeps getting worse. It started as an annoying tickle and now is a persistent irritation. I thought it was GERD, post-nasal drip, seasonal allergies, etc. Antihistamines did not help nor did an inhaler. I am a big fan of hot peppers and would resort to taking a spoonful of my hottest hot sauce (Tabasco is not hot enough) to act as a counter-irritant. I then made my own vinegar-based tincture from red Thai chili peppers and habaneros with a little capsicum oleoresin. This I would dribble into my throat with a dropper with immediate relief.

    Another thing that is effective is tramadol. Unfortunately for me, even at the lowest dose, after 1.5 days, my face begins to itch horribly and no amount of antihistamines has any effect. Hmmm…itching or coughing, which is worst? The itching usually starts around my nose. This is funny, to stop the itching, I rub a piece of fresh Thai chili or habanero over the itchy areas. Capsaicin to the rescue again!

    I’ll just stick to my hot peppers. I enjoy them, they are natural and the capsaicin works!

  6. Capsaicin is what provides the heat in chili peppers and has been used alternatively as an irritant to induce cough in the pulmonary literature, but also numbness in chronic pain situations.

  7. I, like all of your correspondents, am having problems with my local GP and ENT specialists in believing that my cough is more than reflux and/or allergies. I have always had problems either with nose or throat problems which have mainly been through colds but this last two years have brought on a very annoying cough and blocked nose. This was brought on more earlier this year by having an eye tooth removed where the problem in my nose decreased and my throat became very sensitive and this brought me more into contact with my GPs. They did give me medicine to try and clear my nasal and reflux problems but so far without much luck. Yesterday (17th Sept 2015) the ENT specialist told me there was no more they could do. I then produce a copy of a report on Laryngeal Sensory Neuropathy Chronic Cough which I had taken off the internet and said that the problems that this person was having were the same as what I am suffering, to which he tried to say that there was no evidence of anything working but he would look into it a bit more and possibly pass what he finds on to my GP. I am not holding my breath on this score. According to your site there seems to be a lot which will alleviate if not cure this problem I am hoping so anyway. Thanks for a very informative site. G A

  8. Since my last notice on this site I have to THANK Sally for her suggestion of cayenne pepper to relieve the coughing. I started doing the little finger dip and after the initial heat feeling it certainly calmed my coughing. I was finger dipping three or four times a day and now I am just doing it when I feel a cough coming on . This may be only once or twice a day but my main relief is the fact that I am now able to have a full night sleep instead of four one and a half hour doses. The reflux has all but disappeared thankfully the only bit I get is when I awake in the morning with a little bit of mucus at the back of my throat which is quickly removed with a small cough. Thanks again Sally. G A

  9. Dr. Bastian,
    My cough has been with me for 20 years. Until last year at Mayo Clinic I didn’t have a diagnosis. When watching your web videos, you could be describing me exactly. In the last year I have tried five medications. Gabapentin and Lyrica had little effect. Tricyclic antidepressants gave me such great relief, perhaps 80% improvement but the side effects were dangerous. My blood pressure was affected, giving me near-black outs, rapid heartbeat and breathing. At least these meds confirmed the diagnosis.

    I tried the cayenne pepper technique and it does help, disrupting the cough. It’s as if the nerves in my throat are confused and although this is not a good permanent solution, it does offer some diversion from the usual pattern of coughing.

    I’m working with my Mayo doctor to determine if I’m a candidate for botox injections. Among other concerns, I understand this is a temporary benefit and I would have to return often, traveling a fair distance for additional treatments.

    Is there a SSRI med that has proven helpful? I mentioned it to my doctor but apparently there are no studies connecting it to neuropathic cough.

    Your website and this blog are so helpful. Thank you.

    • First of all, I’m really happy that you are on the right track after 20 years of this miserable cough. Here are some ideas that may or not apply to you, so take them as “educational” and not as medical advice. Some have side effects from tricyclic antidepressants (TCA’s), but can keep them at an acceptable level by keeping the dose very low. So they may get only 50% reduction, but that is at least a start. Not all TCA’s are as prone to side effects. Besides amitriptyline, desipramine or nortriptyline may have fewer side effects of the sort you describe. A few people get very good help from citalopram or venlafaxine. Another medication that helps some a lot is a tetracyclic antidepressant called mirtazapine. Check all of these out with your doctor’s help, and we would be interested to learn what you discover. (I hope you find this information helpful. Please consider Dr. Bastian’s reply to be informational only, and not medical advice; don’t act without your personal physician’s input).

  10. Hello, I have just found this site and found it very interesting and helpful. I live in New Zealand and have had a chronic cough for 24 years. I have done all the tests – too many to mention and also an operation to prevent reflux all to no avail. I have been taking a combination of drugs for the past 2 years and am now taking Omeprazole in the morning before I eat and drink for reflux, Gabapentin 3 times a day, Tramadol 2 times a day and Amytriptiline at night. At first the cough was almost gone but as tim e has gone by and trying to reduce the intake, the cough is returning. I like the idea of using cayenne and will try today. I will let you know how I get on.

      • I am unable to find capsaicin spray here in New Zealand. Can you advise if there is an online store I can order from?
        I have used the cayenne pepper, it does help calm the cough but also makes me nauseous .

        • Very sorry to hear of your trouble. A woman in England contacted me to say that, unable to find a spray version, she bought a container of cayenne pepper powder. She wets the tip of her little finger, dips it in, and then puts the powder that has adhered into her mouth. She says it helps a lot. Of course you can check with a compounding pharmacy to see if the capsaicin solution for spray could be compounded for you. In that case, I’d suggest using 0.03% percent. The preparation is made using Capsicum Oleoresin- the active (HOT) ingredient extracted from hot peppers. Caution to you is that this is very hot! Use as described in my article. (I hope you find this information helpful. Please consider Dr. Bastian’s reply to be informational only, and not medical advice; don’t act without your personal physician’s input).

  11. 25 years and progressively worse, and definitely the quality of life is impacted (you don’t go places, you apologize and explain that you aren’t “sick”, you develop bladder issues……and live in constant fear of something that will trigger the cough). I also have been through the inhalers (you have asthma) and testing for acid reflex (nope) and while I have allergies, controlling the drip doesn’t stop the cough. The generic medical belief that it is all in my head….or COPD…. is frustrating. I had thyroid surgery many years ago, and about 20 years ago a really bad bout of something that sat in my throat for a week and required Lidocaine to barely manage to swallow. I am going to try the cayenne …..and I hate pepper and anything spicy, so that tells you how desperate I am to find something that isn’t a heavy drug. I do use something “heavy” when I just can’t stand it anymore…..Hydrocodone Chlorphen ER Suspension. It does help. Expensive and not covered by my drug insurance. Christmas grocery shopping in a minute will include trying cayenne pepper. Am hoping I can go to a movie again…..or not have a coughing/choking attack where people step away, or are ready to call an ambulance.

  12. I am a nurse and have had a chronic cough for 13 years. I’ve been to countless doctors. I’ve been told it’s all in my head, it’s allergies, it’s gerd, it’s asthma and bronchitis. I’ve even been treated like I’m a drug seeker. I just want a normal life. I’ve taken every medicine under the sun. I was finally diagnosed about a year ago. I was started on neurontin but had severe side effects. My second medication was elavil. I am on 150mg at night. I worked great for almost a year. Now my cough is severe again. It interferes with my work and private life. I can’t go to the movies. I can’t go to church. I have severe stress incontenance. My urologist says I need surgery but my cough would just tear up everything he does in surgery. My cough disturbs my sleep and my husband’s sleep. I am going to try the capsaicin spray. If I can’t find any relief I plan to research botox injections.
    If anyone has any other advice I would gratefully appreciate it.

    • I’m sorry to hear of your distress. A few thoughts: First, when amitriptyline works well, but then the benefit fades, it is reasonable to try discontinuing the medication for a week, and then resuming. At the relatively high dose you are taking, I might taper off in steps across ten days, stop for a week, and then gradually begin titration upwards. This often restores the benefit. As for gabapentin, if there was some benefit, I would not give up easily due to side effects. The strategy would be to use 100 mg capsules rather than 300’s. This would allow a very slow long up-titration (dose escalation) over a long period of time. If you take that medication on an empty stomach, side effects are usually much more evident, so consider always taking with food other than the bedtime dose. Finally, QID works better for many people than TID does, so it ends up being breakfast, lunch, dinner, and bedtime… Just to give you hope, the very first person I ever put on gabapentin for this 15 or more years ago, was just started on capsaicin, and she says it is helping tremendously. Keep going! And all the best! (I hope you find this information helpful. Please consider Dr. Bastian’s reply to be informational only, and not medical advice; don’t act without your personal physician’s input).

  13. I have had a chronic cough for 9 years. I have been to every doctor and nobody can seem to find out why I’m coughing. I have been treated for asthma, gerd, I have taken Amiytripline to no avail. I have been given inhalers, steroids, nasal sprays, cough medicines, allergy medicine and nothing stops my cough. It has now caused me to either have a bruised muscle or bruised rib as its really painful to breathe cough sneeze excetera. So now I am on bed rest with ice. It is going to be really hard to heal my muscle due to coughing. I am going to try the Cayenne pepper.

  14. Ive been experiencing a chronic cough that would often times lead to vomiting for 2 years. It started 6 months after experiencing a Pulmonary embolism when I was in recovery and had recently started taking Xarelto. I went through all the normal treatments. Broke 5 ribs and my cough would often times lead to vomiting or sometimes go straight to vomiting. toothpaste, fire or exhaust, scents, hot or cold changes in the air, sitting up from lying down, bending over, eating dry, crunchy, sugary, cold foods, exercise, singing, or talking would bring on an attack. I haven’t heard depression mentioned. I got a second opinion from a pulmonary specialist at the UofW and waited 3 months to get in to see him. He had already read a long package of info sent from my previous pulmonary doc and had determined that she has done a wonderful job and that it was possible that I had developed a tick, that it was likely all in my head and that I needed to do all I could to stop myself from coughing. I couldn’t hold back the tears. My husband was with me and the damage that conversation had was immense. Everything I had been doing and saying to build a network of support of taken away in that moment. My daughter was also with us and we shared the input with her. I would do it different next time. Electing not to have them hear a doctors medical advice. I constantly thought about suicide afterwards. My family delt me the tough love approach the doc had pushed and I suffered the same with the cough, but without the support. It was the toughest time. I finally made another appointment for a sore on my tongue, (with a different primary care doc, bc mine was on vacation) and after listening to me said I should try gabapentin and that my symptoms sounded like they were nerological that I may have suffered some damage to my vagus nerve. My tingling is mostly on my right side of my throat, and if I rub behind and under my ear I can vomit immediately. The gabapentin is helping a lot. I have just recently asked my primary doc to increase the dosage to 1800mg from the 300mg initially given. I am taking acid reflux Meds again to reduce even the smallest irritation. I have been able to get through a movie, dinner at a restarant and even started exercising again. Yesterday I spent the day cleaning and other housework I had been avoiding bc of my coughing. The only thing that was helping me prior to the gabapentin was an over the counter cough suppressant called Fishermans Friend which has a high Menthol content. 11mg vs the normal 3mg or less which is in many other products. If I put one in my mouth right before an appt, it would get me through without an attack. I was going through a package every few days however and it was never reliable. I’m wondering if there aren’t some similarities between the capsaicin and menthol as far as how they work.

    • Christine, I use Fisherman’s Friend too with great results. Menthol is the active ingredient, but capsicum is an inactive ingredient and I think that is the reason these lozenges work so well. See my post which follows yours.

  15. I Have Meige’s Syndrome including Blepharospasm and Laryngospasm. I get Botox for the Blepharospasm and take Klonipin for the Laryngospasms which works fairly well until I get a respiratory infection with a cough, or if I swallow wrong or smell a strong odor. I have found the use of “Fisherman’s Friend” throat lozenges that contain capsicum to be of tremendous benefit in heading off the tickle-trigger in many instances. These are very strong lozenges and clear the throat and sinuses quickly. They are more expensive than regular lozenges and sometimes hard to find, but they work so well, I buy cases at a time and am never without them.

  16. My issue is Laryngeal Sensory Neuropathic Chronic Cough (SNC) like others on this website… but definitely “cold induced”. Luckily, I live in southern California. My story seems to be like many others on this site. Different doctors, tests, treatments, medications, etc. for the suspected culprits (asthma, post nasal drip from allergies, reflux). Oh my goodness….. What a blessing to find this site! I am not alone and SOMEBODY actually understands what I am going through!! My cough has been haunting me my entire life. It used to be that drinking HOT water and taking cough drops would help. Now, even that is not enough. The last five years have been much worse and have caused me to retire from teaching early. Medications did not work for me. I am currently receiving the Botox treatment. Two weeks ago, I began. It is still difficult to swallow liquids and my coughing is so much worse because I can not complete a cough as I used to. It seems to stretch on and on. My voice is slowly returning. The doctor assured me that at this point in my treatment it is “normal”. I sure hope he is correct because I don’t think I can continue like this for much longer. He said that I must give it a try for two to three rounds of Botox to evaluate if it is working at all. If not, then I will stop. He said that if it shows signs of helping, it could take up to seven rounds of Botox. However, I have read that it could even be up to 16. I will try the cayenne pepper tomorrow.

  17. This is Ronda Kalan again. In my comment (above) I meant to ask if ANYONE has the same situation of the cough being cold induced. Also, does anyone know of a specialist in this field in Los Angeles or nearby. Although, I have already begun my Botox treatment, I would like a second opinion or to hear someone who has a different suggestion.
    Thank you,

    • Hi Ronda, it looks like the comments on this site have slowed down and been taken over by ads. Did you end up finding relief? Cold air is definitely one of my triggers, and I live in the Sierras. I have worked with my gp and an allergy specialist and finally am finding relief on 60 mg day nortriptyline spaced out at 8 hour intervals. This is the fourth morning I have not had a violent cough after waking–after years and years. Still have a few cough fits during day, but much reduced. So excited. I do feel sleepier and less alert on the drug , but at this point the relief is worth it.

  18. I developed chronic cough after getting whooping cough vaccine and pneumonia shot both at the same time.
    I coughed non stop for six months and then it changed to a few times a day. I went to five doctors had many tests including nasoesophagoscopy. I suffered with heart palpitations . I will not use meds but use Black Seed oil which is spicy and seems to coat and heal the throat. I also read B12 can help with sensory neuropathic cough. Coughing has really calmed down. I pray it stays that way. It’s not just a cough. Your entire body and strength is affected by this cough.

  19. I am now 62 and had this cough since grade school but it was occasional but over the years due to excercise induced asthma and yearly respiratory infections and years of tonsillitis infections severe stress and depression I have the “cough” daily for since 2014 thank you for this site because I had a sense it was a nerve thing and all the info on it fits me to a T I am relived to know what it is yet devastated to have my life narrowed down to almost isolation I used to dance sing be in a band as a muscian and very active at sports and had a life I don’t do well with drugs either don’t smoke drink and eat heathly and always use the natural methods so I am hopeful to try the capsaicin because it’s an old favorite for colds and flu will keep you posted… And yes the doctors are clueless when it comes to this stuff I live in central Idaho so thank you again to everyone’s comments and the folks making this site happen

    • Going Vegan or eating a low fat whole food plant based diet has vertically healed my chronic cough. I went vegetarian in Jan and Vegan in July. Adding B12 and vitamin D as supplements as well in July. Clearing out my Arteries of cholesterol and saturated fat has allowed my body to heal the nerves. My cough started in 2014 after experiencing a pulmonary embolism the year prior. Over the next few years I broke several ribs and could not attend normal functions due to the horrific uncontrollable cough. Hot and cold, bending over, strong scents, smoke, exercise, singing and talking were my triggers. Fisherman’s friends cough drops were the only things I could take that seemed to help. I hope this helps someone.

      • Yes I am looking for the answer for this cough. I do all the things you mentioned but found that taking The supplement called CuraMed which is Tumeric helps cut down the inflammation. I can go days without coughing.
        Licking cayenne pepper stops the cough and I too use Fishermans cough drops. I would like to try the Capsacin spray but it’s given as a prescription and the last choice by doctors after trying the meds which I refuse to take.
        I hope this info helps

  20. There is something to this, I believe. Awaiting hard science results, assuming someone is doing the research. The cough I’ve had all my life was episodic, only following colds/flues, but became sustained after a move to northwest Oregon. It comes and goes, but is present more often than not. I found Dr. Bastian’s information on SNC several months ago, but didn’t take any major actions at the time. Today, after having the cough worse than usual the last few days, due to a brief virus, I bought some cheap frozen burritos with jalapeno. Urge to cough has reduced! But this could be coincidence, due to time of day, temperature changes, other things I ate or whatever. Cure by cheap Mexican food? Probably not, but I like the price.

  21. I am a nurse who has had SNC since 1997. I inherited this malady from my mother who coughed severly for 40 years. I discovered my diagosis and a treatment a few months before she died at age 96. So, for a few months she coughed considerably less. We both were incorrectly diagnosed and therefore given lots of unnecessary meds for not.
    When my cough became totally debilitating, I traveled to Chicago from Phoenix desperately hoping Dr Bastian could save my life!
    With Dr Bastian’s help I have discovered my best treatment that decreases, not elimnates my severe cough. I take 900mg of Gabapentin every 5 hours. Sometimes I take that dose before the 5 hrs wait because I start coughing loudly. I usually stop coughing 10 minutes after aadministrating. Over dosing usually causes diarrhea the following day. It’s a trade off that I decide depending on my circumstances.
    I also take desipramine 75mg at night. It seems to lessen my coughing, but here again does not eliminate. I still have several severe and loud coughing episodes each day.
    I contact Dr Bastian yearly to report my condition. He knows I will try any new treatment he suggests. I thank God every day that I found Dr Bastian. Even though I still cough, I can interact with others without embarrassment. The last treatment I use in Codeine 30mg or 60mg. I use that about 3o times a year. I use it mainly at bedtime when I am a houseguest or when I am on an airline. It doesn’t make me drowsy and it reduces the incident of diarrhea.Thank you, Dr Bastian.

  22. I think more people should consider CBD as a solution for this. I eat vitamin gummy bears so i just incorporated CBD gummy bears into my routin. As an adult it has worked wonders. I wish I started it earlier. If anyone else is experiencing a similar issue id suggest looking into it. I personally like the CBD gummies. And have been taking these https://cbdfx.com/products/cbd-hemp-gummy-bears-300mg/ for the last 3 months with decent success!

  23. It’s been a few years now since posting in this site. At the time I was suffering with Laryngeal neuropathy that started about 6 months after experiencing a pulmonary embolism. 5years before that I had a minor tia stroke at the age of 41. Otherwise healthy and very active, the cause of my thrombosis events were never determined. After suffering 3years with a chronic cough that left me with broken ribs, urinary incontinance, an inability to do any cardio exercise, bending over or doing normal house work impossible, talking for extended periods if time not possible, attending social events, dinners out with family and friends, many useless attempts at medicating that often times made the cough worse. I was isolated and after getting a second opinion from a pulmonologist that said I should just train myself by drinking water and that it was all in my head. I started to contemplate suicide. Life was a complete hell hole. The following year my daughter recommended I watch a documentary called, What the Health, and the next day I went Vegan with my diet. If there was any possibility that I was causing my own health issues I wanted to take responsibility for that. I had asked docs before at earlier visits and was always told there was no connection between diet and blood clotting. Within a few months I learned about a Whole Food Plant Based diet and transitioned away from the unhealthy process foods as well. Not 100% compliant. Around 80percent and still including some vegan unhealthy foods. My cough slowly improved over the next few months and the sensitivity went back to normal at about 6months. I no longer have the constant tingling on the right side of the inside of my throat. I would describe it like a light switch being on. A tingling sensation that was only knumbed by excess alcohol, the use of OxyContin (prescribed once after my ribs were broken) and the drug gabapentin. The gabapentin only took away about 40% of the sensitivity.
    I have bee symptom free since and have been able to resume all my normal life activities and even completed a marathon at the end of last year. I was told that I would suffer the rest of my life with the cough. I am writing this to bring some hope to everyone. Don’t lose hope. Try the plant based diet. It’s not a guaranteed solution, but it saved my life.

  24. I have been coughing in this manner for approximately 35 years, with a 9 year reprieve within those years. It started when I was 26 and am still coughing at 61, do a total of 26 years. It has hijacked my life. Doctors had not been able to help. Since I am asthmatic one doctor told me it’s just part of the asthma, not much to be done. About 3 years ago I came across an article in a magazine regarding SNC and then further researched on the web landing me on the Bastien institute site. I determined from the information given and the case studies, that without a doubt this is what I had. I took the information to my primary, then 3 ENT’s. I suggested Dr. Bastien’s protocol. The amitriptyline worked for 1 beautiful and memorable day, in which I coughed only 3 times but did not work after that. Then we tried Gabapentin working up to 1800mg daily with approximately a 30% improvement and very difficult side effects. I requested to try a combination of the Gabapentin with amitriptyline which only increased the negative side effects and did not affect the cough. I discontinued all meds. Doctor then tried tramadol 100mg time released which worked very well, approximately 70% reduction. I did that treatment for several months affording me a normal life. After that the side effects became too much and I ended up stopping the treatment. I later found a pulmonologist here in south Florida that wrote a book on cough & consulted with him. He prescribed a combination of 3 nasal sprays with a long nozzle to spray way back into nose which helped decrease the post nasal drip. Then he began the same protocol as prior doctors, including the tramadol, with same results. He also suggested to try making a sage syrup and incorporating use of tonic water because of the quinine that’s in it. I have had no improvement with anything but the tramadol, which I am not taking on a regular basis due to side effects. I only use it if I have an event that I need to attend, or need a break from non stop coughing. I’m not sure how to proceed, especially now with covid19, and the added pressure of how having a cough attack might look to others. I’ve always lived with this pressure, often declining social events and now of course it’s worse due to our current circumstance. I am desperate enough now to try the capsaicin spray but don’t know where to get it.

  25. How I feel empathy for you, as I too have experienced much of the same symptoms as you as I coughed for many years in Phoenix.!I had to quit my teaching job because I coughed too much to teach. I had nosebleeds several times a day. Sometimes while driving, I had to pull off the road. Some times I coughed so hard I vomited.
    In a serendipity way, I found Dr Bastian. He was my last hope. If he couldn’t help, I too, thought of suicide. When he walked into the examining room, he had only read one page of the three page questionnaire that I completed in his waiting room. He knew immediately what my problem was. He has tried me only several drugs that had only minimal effects. I’m finally on a medication regime that keeps my cough about 80% cured. The best drug for me is Gabapentin. However, I take very large doses – 4500 mg a day, 900 mg every 5 hours. Lots of times 900 mg doesn’t last 5 hours, so I take it every 4 hours. If I overdose, and sometimes I do on purpose because of the situation I am in, I have diarrhea and stomach cramps the next day. One day of that is worth not coughing at a special event. I have coughed so much for so long that I don’t realize that I coughing. I do live a fairly normal life, however. I can exercise for an hour at the gym and hike, but not up hill – which I don’t understand. When in Peru, I hiked up to Machu Picchu with only one bad coughing episode. When I stopped coughing, I was able to catch up with my group. It was well worth it!
    I have done the pepper spray for a month a couple times with no positive results. I love meat. I can’t imagine giving it up. Maybe I’ll try it anyway.
    My husband just started wearing hearing aids which he needs badly.My cough never bothered him. He said he was so used to it that he didn’t hear it. Now he said with hearing aids, when I cough, it’s like screaming in his ear. I love him so. I feel terrible about it. That may be enough to make me become a vegan. Best to all of you that suffer from this terrible malady. I hope you find relief.

  26. My case contains some of all the symptoms and subjects that everyone here has suffered from including the trial and error of trying many things short of the drugs. I’ve had the cough for many years, gradually getting worse. I recall years ago I attributed it to seasonal sinus problems. Back then it seemed to only occur at change of seasons then recede, but now it’s at least hourly. A couple of weeks ago, my PC physician suggested Pantoprazole 40MG and I have been taking that now but to no avail. Then I found Dr. Bastian’s video on YouTube two days ago. And I have been rereading and rewatching since. I’ve sent an email to my doctor and we’re going to try the capsaicin spray first. THANK YOU DR. BASTIAN!! Yes, I know…I’m yelling! ;)I must say, as bad as the cough is, and as many times a day as I cough, (what with the embarrassment and stigma attached to the coughing, especially NOW with the COVID stuff) just knowing there is a REAL true diagnosis with a name, and other folks who experience the same symptoms as myself, to a T, does help my mindset. Also, finally, a couple things that have helped me on a temporary immediate basis: Coca-Cola and/or Club Soda/Seltzer water (any brand). I buy the smallest containers I can get and usually if I can take a couple SIPS at the immediate onset of the tickle, I can suppress it for at least 20 minutes. And as soon as it’s flat I throw it out and use a new bottle. If it’s flat, it doesn’t help. So I usually ALWAYS carry a bottle or two with me, and friends and family know it seems to help. And, for me, it’s not pepsi or any other kind of soda (but I suppose I haven’t tried every single one), but only Coca-Cola. OR the Club Soda/Seltzer but that doesn’t always work as well as the CocaCola, or at all, depending on the magnitude of the cough wave coming on. And it is like a wave, at times. I also try to be aware of how many ‘sips’ a day I have, since I don’t want to get diabetes problems. I am 67 and don’t want to push my luck.I have been through all kinds of diets and programs, including Alkaline waters and foods. Thinking that if acid causes the irritation, perhaps if I change the refluxed (is that a word) material from the stomach to alkaline, it wouldn’t irritate. But that did not work either, and I was depressed over the limited types of foods that I could eat, that I didn’t really care for. I’ve even thought about going to an ENT and talking with them about grafting some kind of shield or patch over the area where the tickling sensation starts the process. But is that realistic? Probably not. I have enjoyed hearing of everyone’s symptoms and potential cures and slows. (not sure if ‘enjoyed’ is the right word, in our situation, but you probably know what I mean.) But I’m going to start with the capsaicin spray and if that helps even 30%, I think I will be happier. Thanks to all who take the time and have the courage to post here.

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